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A modern living room with a stone fireplace, a dining area, and a kitchen.
A modern kitchen with white cabinetry, stainless steel appliances, and a central island with stools.
A multi-story residential building with balconies, a landscaped courtyard, and a clear view of the surrounding area.
A spacious living room with a stone fireplace, a large sofa, a coffee table, and a TV mounted on the wall.
A modern living room with a sofa, two armchairs, a coffee table, and a decorative wall piece.

Reviews

9.6 out of 10
Exceptional

Entire home

2 bedrooms2 bathroomsSleeps 8125 sq m

Popular amenities

  • Spa pool
  • Kitchen
  • Washing machine
  • Dryer
  • Pet-friendly
  • Free Wi-Fi

Explore the area

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Winter Park, CO
  • Place, Grand Park Community Recreation Center
    ‪7 min walk‬
  • Place, Hideaway Park
    ‪10 min walk‬
  • Place, Winter Park Visitor Center
    ‪13 min walk‬

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About the area

Winter Park

A family-friendly stay in the heart of Winter Park awaits you at this holiday home. Within just a 10-minute stroll, you'll find Grand Park Community Recreation Center and Cozens Ranch House Museum. Highlights at this holiday home include a kitchen, a washing machine and free WiFi. .Home features 2 bathrooms, a fireplace and a balcony. In-room dining is easy with a kitchen that comes equipped with a fridge, a microwave and a stovetop. A sofa bed, a living room and a dining area are also available. Limited housekeeping is available. .This pet-friendly holiday home offers free WiFi in public areas, concierge services and a garden. Added amenities include a hot tub and laundry facilities. .With a stay at this Winter Park holiday home, you'll be 8.3 km (5.2 mi) from Winter Park Ski Resort.
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What's nearby

  • Grand Park Community Recreation Center - 7 min walk - 0.6 km
  • Hideaway Park - 10 min walk - 0.9 km
  • Cozens Ranch House Museum - 10 min walk - 0.9 km
  • Winter Park Visitor Center - 13 min walk - 1.1 km
  • Blue Sky Massage - 16 min walk - 1.4 km

Getting around

  • Fraser/Winter Park Station - 4 min drive
  • Broomfield, CO (BJC-Rocky Mountain Metropolitan) - 98 min drive

Restaurants

  • ‪The Lodge at Sunspot - ‬25 min drive
  • ‪Snoasis - ‬11 min drive
  • ‪The Noble Buck - ‬5 min walk
  • ‪McDonald's - ‬13 min walk
  • ‪The Smokehouse BBQ - ‬8 min walk

About this property

Entire place

You'll have the entire home to yourself and will only share it with other guests in your party.

Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions

Welcome to Hideaway Station Loft 208, a stunning retreat nestled in the heart of Winter Park, Colorado. This beautifully designed condo offers a perfect blend of luxury and comfort, making it an ideal getaway for families or groups seeking adventure and relaxation in the mountains.

Spanning 1,350 square feet, this spacious loft features two well-appointed bedrooms and two bathrooms, accommodating up to eight guests. The master bedroom boasts a plush king-sized bed, while the second bedroom is perfect for families with its unique full over queen bunk bed setup. For additional sleeping arrangements, a queen sleeper sofa is available in the living area.

The ambiance of the loft is warm and inviting, highlighted by a cozy gas fireplace that sets the perfect mood after a day of outdoor activities. Enjoy breathtaking mountain views from the comfort of your private balcony, where you can unwind with a cup of coffee or a glass of wine.

The fully equipped kitchen is a chef's dream, featuring modern appliances including a refrigerator, stove/oven, microwave, and dishwasher, along with all the necessary dishes, utensils, and cookware. Gather around the dining table for meals or enjoy a casual breakfast at the kitchen bar.

For entertainment, the living area is equipped with a TV and home theater system, and there are board games available for family fun. Stay connected with high-speed wireless internet throughout the property.

Step outside to discover the shared hot tub, perfect for soaking away your cares, and a gas grill for those summer barbecues. The property also includes convenient amenities such as a washer/dryer, garage, and an electric car charger.

Located in Winter Park's vibrant downtown, you'll have easy access to a variety of shops, restaurants, and outdoor activities, including skiing, hiking, and biking. Whether you're here for a winter wonderland or a summer escape, Hideaway Station Luxury Loft 208 is the perfect home base for your adventures.

Don't miss out on this exceptional property—book your stay today and experience the best of Winter Park!

Don't just stay in Winter Park, experience it with our exclusive RAD program! (Rentals I Activities I Discounts) We've hand selected Winter Park's most reputable partners to ensure our guests enjoy exclusive savings, elevated services and extraordinary adventures at the most popular attractions the area has to offer. Optional services are also available including personal grocery shopping, private chef, in-room massages and custom equipment fittings at your door. All of our properties are equipped with everything you need during your stay including Free high-speed Wi-Fi, keyless entry, accidental damage protection, gourmet coffee & tea, luxurious towels/linens/eco friendly toiletries, and 24/7 guest support. We provide the absolute finest professionally cleaned accommodations and locations the area has to offer at the lowest nightly rates available without any reservation fees by booking direct at Winter Park Escapes.

Location
* Winter Park Resort is nearby with a free bus ride to the resort base village for numerous winter and summer activities and events
* The Grand Park Rec Center is nearby with multiple swimming pools, gym, indoor track and huge rock climbing wall for an additional fee
* The Foundry is next door to the Rec Center with a bowling alley, movie theater and brick oven pizza bar
* Hideaway Park and the Rendezvous Event Center are nearby with numerous events and concerts throughout the year
* Great dining and shopping are all nearby with many within walking distance depending on the property location
* Grand Lake and Rocky Mountain Natl. Park are only 30 minutes away
* Endless mountain activities throughout the year are at your door step and surrounding area

Disclosures
This property allows up to 2 dogs only for an additional fee of $49 nightly. Dogs are not allowed on the furniture or beds and must be crated if left alone. Additional fees will apply for non compliance. The majority of the properties in the Winter Park area do not have A/C due to the cooler climate. The unit includes 1 assigned parking space, and 1 additional parking space available on a first come first serve basis. STR license # 007618.

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Property amenities

Ski

  • Cross-country skiing nearby
  • Snowboarding nearby

Pool/Spa

  • Hot tub
  • Massage

Internet

  • Available in the house: Free WiFi

Parking and transport

  • Electric car charging station on site
  • Onsite parking options include a garage

Kitchen

  • Coffee/tea maker
  • Cookware, dishware, and utensils
  • Dishwasher
  • Hob
  • Ice maker
  • Microwave
  • Oven
  • Refrigerator
  • Spices
  • Toaster

Dining

  • Chef service
  • Dining table

Bedrooms

  • 2 bedrooms
  • Premium bedding
  • Sofa bed

Bathroom

  • 2 bathrooms
  • Hair dryer
  • Shampoo
  • Shower
  • Soap
  • Towels provided

Living spaces

  • Dining table
  • Fireplace
  • Living room
  • Separate dining area

Entertainment

  • Books
  • Games
  • Hulu
  • Smart speaker
  • Smart TV with cable/satellite channels
  • Streaming services
  • Video games
  • Video library

Outdoor areas

  • Balcony
  • Barbecue grill
  • Garden
  • Outdoor furniture

Laundry

  • Laundry facilities
  • Washing machine

Comfort

  • Heating

Pets

  • Pet friendly
  • Welcoming dogs only
  • Up to 23 kg per pet

Suitability/Accessibility

  • If you have requests for specific accessibility needs, please contact the property using the information on the reservation confirmation received after booking.
  • In-room accessibility
  • Lift
  • Smoke-free property

Services and conveniences

  • Concierge services
  • Iron/ironing board
  • Limited housekeeping
  • Meal delivery service

Location highlights

  • In a rural location
  • In a village
  • In the city centre
  • In the mountains
  • Near a health/beauty spa
  • Near a hospital
  • Near an outlet shopping centre
  • Near the marina

Things to do

  • Optional golf privileges
  • Basketball nearby
  • Birdwatching nearby
  • Casino nearby
  • Ecotours nearby
  • Fishing nearby
  • Golfing nearby
  • Hiking/biking trails nearby
  • Horseback riding nearby
  • Hunting nearby
  • Ice skating nearby
  • Jet skiing nearby
  • Kayaking nearby
  • Motor boating nearby
  • Mountain biking nearby
  • Mountain climbing nearby
  • Rafting nearby
  • Rock climbing nearby
  • Sailing nearby
  • Sledding nearby
  • Snowmobiling nearby
  • Swimming nearby
  • Water skiing nearby
  • Water tubing nearby
  • Wildlife walks nearby
  • Windsurfing nearby
  • Winery tours nearby

Safety features

  • Carbon monoxide detector not reported (host has not indicated whether there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property; consider bringing a portable detector)
  • Smoke detector not reported (host has not indicated whether there is a smoke detector on the property)

General

  • Electric car charging station
  • Garden
  • Property located in a resort
  • Unit size: 1,350 square feet

Policies

Check-in

Check-in time starts at 4:00 PM
Contactless check-in and check-out are available
Minimum check-in age - 25

Check-out

Check-out before 10:00 AM

Special check-in instructions

You will receive an email from the host with check-in and check-out instructions
Information provided by the property may be translated using automated translation tools

Pets

  • Pets are welcome
  • Only dogs are allowed
  • Maximum 2 (weight limit: 50 lb per pet)
    • Service animals are exempt from fees.

Children and extra beds

  • Children are welcome.

Events

No events allowed

Smoking

Smoking is not permitted

Important information

You need to know

Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy
Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges
Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed
On-site parties or group events are strictly prohibited
Host has not indicated whether there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property; consider bringing a portable detector with you on the trip
Host has not indicated whether there is a smoke detector on the property
This property has outdoor spaces, such as balconies, patios and terraces, which may not be suitable for children; if you have any concerns, we recommend contacting the property prior to your arrival to confirm that they can accommodate you in a suitable room
This property is managed through our partner, Vrbo. You will receive an email from Vrbo with a link to a Vrbo account, where you can change or cancel your reservation
Charges for extra guests may apply and vary according to property policy.
A cash deposit, credit card or debit card for incidental charges and government-issued photo identification may be required upon check-in.
Special requests are subject to availability at the time of check-in. Special requests can't be guaranteed and may incur additional charges.
    This property is managed by a professional host. The provision of housing is linked to their trade, business or profession. This property has outdoor spaces, such as balconies, patios and terraces, which may not be suitable for children. If you have any concerns, we recommend contacting the property prior to your arrival to confirm that they can accommodate you in a suitable room. On-site parties or group events are strictly prohibited.

Property is also known as

445118

Frequently asked questions

Is there a spa on site at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions?

No, there is no spa at this property. Bella Vita is a short 16-minute walk away.

Does Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions have a pool?

No, this holiday home doesn't have a pool.

What luxury perks are available at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions?

This property features 1 hot tub, as well as premium bedding and a fireplace.

What makes Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions a romantic place to stay?

1 hot tub, premium bedding, and fireplaces all help set the scene for a sizzling getaway at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions.

Is Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions family-friendly?

You bet! With amenities such as laundry facilities and a BBQ, as well as highchairs and travel cots, it's no surprise that Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions is a winner with our family travellers.

Is there a private hot tub at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions?

Yep, there is a hot tub.

Is there a free airport shuttle available at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions?

No, Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions does not offer an airport shuttle service.

What time are check-in & check-out at Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions?

Check-in begins at 4:00 PM. Check-out time is 10:00 AM.

Downtown WP Loft 208 I Huge Hot Tub I Great Views I Heated Garage I Discounted Attractions Reviews

Reviews

9.6

Exceptional

Rating 10 - Excellent. 45 out of 55 reviews
Rating 8 - Good. 7 out of 55 reviews
Rating 6 - Okay. 3 out of 55 reviews
Rating 4 - Poor. 0 out of 55 reviews
Rating 2 - Terrible. 0 out of 55 reviews

9.6/10

Cleanliness

Reviews

Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Peter F.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy
We had an excellent stay. Everything was as promised. Will definitely book again
Stayed 2 nights in Feb 2026
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Michael A.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy
Great property, right in the middle of town and walkable
Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2025
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

Cal V.

Winter Getaway

Excellent accommodations, well furnished, very spacious. Close to everything. Indoor parking was a plus. Highly recommend.
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Kristi B.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Beautiful condo and great location

This property is beautiful decorated and comfortable. It is in a great location. We enjoyed our stay here very much!
Stayed 3 nights in Dec 2022
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Kris V.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Great location near shopping restaurants and shopping. New with garage parking.

I would highly recommend due ti the cleanliness, fully stocked kitchen and location.
Stayed 2 nights in Jan 2023
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

eilon y.

Great condo

We had a great MLK weekend at this condo. Very clean and had everything we needed. The shared hot tub in the building was excellent as well. Hope we can come again in the future!
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Robert W.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Great unit in Winter Park

Great location with easy access to shopping, restaurants, and the Winter Park shuttle bus. Bright, spacious, modern unit.
Stayed 2 nights in Mar 2025
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

Samuel S.

Great location, well stocked, very comfortable

Fantastic place to stay. Beautiful condo with a great location. Extremely comfortable and very well stocked. Stayed with some friends to snowboard at WP and could not have been a better experience.Communication and booking process was seamless. Will absolutely return.
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Michelle S.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Great condo in central location.

Our stay was great. We came in the summer and enjoyed the access to winter park resort, hiking trails, Grand lake, and Rocky Mountain National park. The condo was clean, easily accessible, pet friendly, and had the perfect space for our family of 4.
Stayed 4 nights in Jul 2023
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Amanda S.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Weekend getaway

The condo was very warm and welcoming. Had everything we needed for a nice weekend!
Stayed 2 nights in Mar 2023
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Brad W.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Happy New Year!

Perfect spot for our New Years celebration. Thanks for everything and Happy New Year.
Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2024
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Lori M.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Hideaway Station Gem

Fantastic location & beautiful property in the center of Winter Park. Shuttle to the resort or walk to stores, restaurants, things to do. This condo has everything you need & is so comfortable & well-stocked. Wonderful week!
Stayed 6 nights in Dec 2022
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

Laura H.

One of the best vacations I have ever had!

My daughter and I stayed 4 nights in the unit and loved it! It was very spacious, well-appointed, and clean! It is so close to the resort and close to all of the other things the town has to offer. Having never been to Winter Park, we weren't sure what to expect. We were absolutely delighted with our choice of lodging! We will definitely be back!
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

Dwayne R.

5 Stars

Great Dondo. Only wish I could have booked directly vs through VRBO
Stayed 5 nights in Oct 2021
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

amanda m.

Tremendous Guys Trip

The condo was perfect for my annual guys trip. Mountain bike storage, hot tub and proximity to the bars and restaurants were a few of the highlights. The condo itself is phenomenal.. If I could give 6 stars I would. Will be back next year.
Verified review

8/10 Good

Crystal L.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Great space in Winter Park

The property was very comfortable for our family of 5 and our dog. We enjoyed proximity to the Fraser River trail behind the condo and easy access to many local hiking trails. Easily walkable to a grocery store and coffee shop. And we loved the dog wash to clean up our pup after hiking. Also a great remote work space as my husband worked remotely from the condo during the week.
Stayed 6 nights in Jul 2021
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Ryan D.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Family getaway with newborn

Overall the condo was exactly what we expected. Great location and enjoyed the activities nearby. The only downside is the previous guests left foul odors in the kids room. You could tell the cleaners tried everything possible to address. No fault to the owner. Would definitely stay here again. Thank you!
Stayed 5 nights in Jun 2021
From a partner site

10/10 Excellent

Natalia B.

Modern Comfort with Dreadful Digital Locks

My family of grown up children loved the place. A modern new condo offers a comfortable stay just a short ride from the slopes by a shuttle or a car. Clean, spacious kitchen for family cooking with a grocery store across the street. We loved everything, except for the digital locks with long codes that malfunctioned and the hot tub with lukewarm temperatures.
Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2022
Verified review

8/10 Good

Thomas P.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Great rental for ski weekend

Overall, the condo was amazing. Being able to bring our two pups on a ski weekend and stay in such a nice place was amazing. Condo was very clean and the rooms/beds really comfortable. It had a nice layout as well. The condo stays warm throughout the day due to the large amount of windows. We did notice some weird little issues like in the second bathroom where you couldn't turn on all the light switches at once without tripping the breaker. You are also limited to one designated parking spot. We were able to find parking in the Market's parking garage for our second car. Overall, great place to stay in WP!
Stayed 3 nights in Jan 2022
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Gustave M.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Expectations exceeded!

I'll admit that I'm not the best at planning trips, so when it fell to me to pull this one together at the last minute, I was stressing. We had never visited Winter Park, but I have to say that it was the perfect unpretentious mountain getaway for our family. Not only is it easy to get to from Denver, but the town itself is easy to get around. The property we stayed in was immaculate, spacious, comfortable, attractive, and very well appointed. The building itself was so perfectly located that we could walk to anything we needed. Do NOT sleep on the Xplorie offers! I almost dismissed them as a gimmick, but they were frankly awesome, and we took advantage of them every day. In short, this was a great trip and we hope to return very soon.
Stayed 3 nights in Mar 2023
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Jenna S.

Liked: Cleanliness, communication, location, listing accuracy

Lovely loft!

The door codes were a bit of a mystery upon arrival (with the Latch locks, you have to tap it first to activate the lights so you can see the numbers). There was one side door that we couldn’t get working throughout our stay, and the Latch app wouldn’t open it either. Walking distance to a market, coffee shop, steakhouse, seafood restaurant, and a pizza place (which was some of the best pizza I’ve had). The Deli down the road also had great sandwiches, and the Winter Park Pub is the only place we saw in town open late. The loft was beautiful, had everything we needed - it’s right next to a trail along a river that is also gorgeous. And the hot tub was huge! We’ll definitely stay again in the future.
Stayed 7 nights in Aug 2021
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Juan S.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Nice Condo

My family and I used VRBO for the first time as many of our friends had recommended. It was as described, seamless and accurate. The condo was just as shown on the pictures. There was one thing that could’ve made the experience even better. They gave us 3 different six number codes, one for the garage, one for the building and one for the condo.. After one week, I still needed my phone to look at the codes for me to open the different doors. It would be great if one master code would open all three entrances, this code could be assigned per unit and changed for different guests prior to their arrival. Thanks for a great stay and we will be using VRBO again in the future.
Stayed 6 nights in Jul 2022
Verified review

10/10 Excellent

Alecia R.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Beautiful condo!

We loved this condo. It is probably the nicest condo we’ve ever stayed in during our trips to Colorado. It is so beautiful, and is absolutely spotless. We loved all the small luxuries-like the radiant floor heater, the gas grill, and even having Alexa. In some condos, we have trouble figuring out how to use the smart TV, but this condo had a user friendly remote and it was super easy. The kitchen and bathrooms are beautifully finished, and so clean. Everything looks brand new. We loved the hot tub, and it was never overly crowded. We were here over President’s Day, which is typically very busy, but this building remained quiet, clean, and very nice. We were here for a ski trip with our 3 kids. The bunk beds were comfortable as well. We did end up driving to the base bc the bus route wasn’t super convenient and confusing, but we found the Village Garage and that was easy. We would definitely stay here again. Highly recommend!
Stayed 5 nights in Feb 2023
Verified review

8/10 Good

Jessica B.

Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy

Weekend getaway

The property/unit was as advertised and perfect for our weekend trip with the location being centrally located for where we needed to be. The only negative feedback is that the bedroom windows did not seal shut properly. There is a very loud train that comes by nightly in the middle of the night. We had really bad sleep disturbance our entire visit of 3 consecutive nights in a row with the noise of the loud freight train as well as very noisy people in the jacuzzi directly below our unit partying into very late hours. If the windows were repaired to shut properly, we would have possibly been able to at least drown out more of the noise. Also, it would be helpful to explain the keypad device for entering the building/unit prior to arriving. We noticed several people (as well as us) struggling upon arrival not realizing it was touch screen as it appears to be solid black and looks as though it would require some sort of key fob.
Stayed 3 nights in Aug 2022
From a partner site

6/10 Okay

Lindsey M.

Be wary of what side of the building the condo is on!

I would recommend to others...as long as they are not on the same side of the building as the hot tub. Since there is no AC you will need to keep your windows open at night (totally doable),but guests do no respect the 10pm quiet hours or hot tub closing time. Multiple nights I've kindly asked fellow vacationers to keep the noise down. I did notify management, and almost called the police. People had small children in the hot tub until midnight and then a group of adult men were doing cannonballs at 2am. I had to be persistent in following up with management team about how they were going to help mitigate this problem for the upcoming night. I was the one suggesting ways they could help control it (sending staff to round at 10pm, change the code for hot tub after 10pm, etc.) and never heard back from the Manager regarding the issues. There was also no service recovery, just statements about "hope you still enjoyed your stay". We enjoyed the clean and sizable space with all the basics for daily life. Works great for a family who wants to cook at home and relax. The location is great as it's close to a coffee shop, some restaurants, and a grocery store. It's just under a mile walk to the park for kids to play and a short drive from WP Resort. If you don't enjoy sleeping through the night, love to disregard rules and be disrespectful of fellow vacationers, then you'll have no issues with your stay. I hope management can come up with a way to help enforce these rules so it honors their commitment to guests. Why post rules if they aren't to be followed? This was our second time staying at this property. It was also very loud after hours last year but we chalked it up to being a holiday, now we know differently.

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